[Juiced]

Coming through the wire that Reds have fired their GM Wayne Krivsky. No link yet

[Moonlight J]

....and $5 Jocketty is the new GM later today. As soon as he was made advisor, the writing was on the wall.

If Krivsky signed off on Baker being named manager, he deserved to be fired. The farm system, however, has made HUGE strides in his time.

[amazing grace]

Curious to read Hammer's take on this firing.

[Slider]

The timing of it seems odd.
The Cordero signing isn't looking bad with so many other closers having issues.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by amazing grace

Curious to read Hammer's take on this firing.

while it was a matter of time with Jocketty looming, I am a bit surprised and disappointed in that the farm system is now well stocked and starting to bear fruit. That was under Krivsky. Also, Phillips and Volquez great additions. On the negative side, signings like Stanton and Castro were disasters and mid level market teams like the Reds can ill afford to waste cash. Overall, I think Krivsky made the Reds a better team then they have been in a while and the future looks bright. I guess Castellini felt Krivsky couldnt take them to the next step.

[Juiced]

"Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky his been fired less that three years after taking over the position several sources have confirmed to the Enquirer's Paul Daugherty.

He will be replaced by Walt Jocketty, who previously was the general manager of the St. Louis Cardinals, and who came to Cincinnati this season as special advisor to the president and ceo of the Reds."

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...PT04/304230046

[primetime21]

This seems a little odd. They have put together a nice starting rotation for the next 5-10 years with Harang, Cueto, Volquez, Arroyo and Bailey. I know he didn't get all of those guys, but its a nice start. And the hitters are decent.

I do agree that hiring Dusty baker should be reason enough to fire any GM>

[Moonlight J]

Where is my $5 fools???

Remember how Jocketty always dealt Cardinals prospects each year in trades - that puts every Reds prospect on notice in my book. Cardinals have a pitching issue - Sabathia is in a walk year - you do the math.

[Don Quixote]

Originally Posted by Slider

The timing of it seems odd.
The Cordero signing isn't looking bad with so many other closers having issues.

Agreed, coming off a "big" win.

Here's a link to the Enquirer's breaking story--

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...PT04/304230046

Jason--I wouldn't take that bet. Krivsky's been on thin ice since the day Jocketty left the Cardinals, given Jocketty's past association with owner Bob Castellini.

My take--Krivsky's done a nice job in rebuilding a farm system ignored and financially starved by previous owners Marge Schott and Carl Lindner and GMs Jim Bowden and Dan O'Brien. His trading/signing record has been a little less than good, despite his coup in acquiring Brandon Phillips and the Cordero signing. He leaves a team much better than when he arrived but still not yet a contender.

This isn't a case of the owner wanting "my guy". Castellini hired Krivsky as soon as he took over. Now presumably he's going to an earlier "my guy", that's all.

Personnel-wise, I don't know. I'd have said Castro would be the first to go, but he's already gone. IMO the most vulnerable players are Fogg, Coffey, and perhaps Freel, if they can find a taker for the latter. Plus they'll have to make a move when Ross comes off the DL soon; perhaps they'll dump Valentin.

[Moonlight J]

I fear that Jocketty will undo everything Krivsky did to repair the farm system. He is notorious for shipping away talent for mid-season deals.

[Don Quixote]

Originally Posted by Jason Collette

I fear that Jocketty will undo everything Krivsky did to repair the farm system. He is notorious for shipping away talent for mid-season deals.

That's probable, but I suspect that they'll wait and see where things stand when Dunn's NTC expires, then decide which way to go.

[Hammer]

Reds are certainly wanting to move Dunn and Griffey, although they will never admit it publicly and since they wont get much for Griffey theyd rather save face and let him finish the season.
As for Jockitch-ety, I am okay with a deal for a stud arm but I will be pissed if they piss away all this young talent. I really feel theyre on the verge of being contenders but trading away young, cheap talent that can be kept for awhile is stoooopid.

[Don Quixote]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Reds are certainly wanting to move Dunn and Griffey, although they will never admit it publicly and since they wont get much for Griffey theyd rather save face and let him finish the season.
As for Jockitch-ety, I am okay with a deal for a stud arm but I will be pissed if they piss away all this young talent. I really feel theyre on the verge of being contenders but trading away young, cheap talent that can be kept for awhile is stoooopid.

Dunn, yes. The fans love his power but see the many flaws in the rest of his game, and they know he has no intnetion of staying past the end of the year barring a ridiculous contract offer.

Griffey, no. Don't underestimate the "local ties" angle. Castellini understands this, and I think they'll simply let him play out his contract, then either retire or go elsewhere (Seattle, to DH?), like previous ownership did with Larkin.

[Funkley]

Hope the Twins bring him back to run the farm system. Probably too large a step down for him but maybe he'd like to come home.

[Hammer]

I forgot to mention to list Ryan Freel being re-signed for $7 mil over the next two years and is currently the Reds 5th OF. Also, the Corey Patterson signing looks horrible now since he is on the MLB roster at $3.5 mil for the year.

[Don Quixote]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I forgot to mention to list Ryan Freel being re-signed for $7 mil over the next two years and is currently the Reds 5th OF. Also, the Corey Patterson signing looks horrible now since he is on the MLB roster at $3.5 mil for the year.

Not to mention the Reds eating the second year of Stanton's contract and the last year of the idiotic extension they gave Castro in 2006. Arroyo's deal doesn't look so great, either.

The Reds hold a $16.5 million option on Griffey for next year. It will be interesting to see if they exercise it.

[SkyKing162]

If someone find the time before I do, it would be very interesting to see a list of Reds prospects drafted under Krivsky and those that stuck around from the prior regime(s). As far as MLB moves go, Krivsky deserves no higher than a D+. And I have a feeling people will give him more credit than he deserves for the onslaught of minor league talent that the big league club is about to experience.

[OaklandA's]

Originally Posted by SkyKing162

As far as MLB moves go, Krivsky deserves no higher than a D+.

I don't think he was that bad. He was pretty good at finding value out of cheap pickups, like Brandon Phillips, Jeff Keppinger, and David Ross. He brought in Josh Hamilton, and then flipped him for Volquez. He supervised (or at least didn't mess up) a farm system that is now providing quality big league talent like Encarnacion, Cueto, Bailey, Votto, and Bruce.

The downsides are the pretty bad drafts in 2006 and 2007, and the ridiculous trade of Kearns and FLopez for some run-of-the-mill middle relievers. Every GM has a few bad contracts on the roster, and I wouldn't say the Reds are much worse than others. Overall, I'd say around a C.

[SkyKing162]

Originally Posted by OaklandA's

I don't think he was that bad. He was pretty good at finding value out of cheap pickups, like Brandon Phillips, Jeff Keppinger, and David Ross. He brought in Josh Hamilton, and then flipped him for Volquez. He supervised (or at least didn't mess up) a farm system that is now providing quality big league talent like Encarnacion, Cueto, Bailey, Votto, and Bruce.

The downsides are the pretty bad drafts in 2006 and 2007, and the ridiculous trade of Kearns and FLopez for some run-of-the-mill middle relievers. Every GM has a few bad contracts on the roster, and I wouldn't say the Reds are much worse than others. Overall, I'd say around a C.

I've definitely underrated Krivsky. Here's a good summary of his transactions:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/0...ire-wayne.html

[primetime21]

I know people like to harp on some bad moves, but all in all i think he did far better than the average GM in MLB.

I also love people killing him because he signed a few players to 3 million dollar contracts and they haven't been that good. This is 2008 and not 1988. 3 Million dollar contracts are the norm these days. And if the Reds suffered some injuries and didn't have a guy like Freel they would kill him for not signing him for depth.

There was clearly more going on here than just a firing based on production. The Reds are 9-12, sure, but its 21 games into the season. Very weird.