[Mr. Squidward]

He joins Raffy Palmeiro in this exclusive club.....

Well done Jeter. You deserved it.......

[Bodhizefa]

What a subjective award. Jeter? A defensive award?!?

My god, I'm going back to the elections. They're safer than this thread...

[pjs24]

Probably because of that "miraculous" play that only he could've made on Giambi!!!! It'd have to be given his numbers:

FPCT: 3rd
RNG: 8th
ZN: 6th
E: 4th

And the overrated-ness grows larger!

[jalora]

All this means is that for the second year a Gold Glove Yankee infielder will be asked to switch positions.

[OaklandA's]

Actually, selecting Jeter for a Gold Glove probably wasn't as bad as picking Bret Boone at 2B. Among the 9 AL second basemen with enough appearances to qualify, Boone finished last in Zone Rating, last in Range Factor, and next to last in Fielding Percentage (ahead of only Soriano).

[joncarlos]

So who are all the winners?

I guess the voters got confused when they saw last year's GG winner at SS on the left side of the Yankee infield?

[Rocket21]

Originally Posted by joncarlos

So who are all the winners?

I guess the voters got confused when they saw last year's GG winner at SS on the left side of the Yankee infield?

C-Pudge
1B - Erstad
2B - Boone
SS - Jeter
3B - Chavez
OF - Hunter, Ichiro, Wells
P - Kenny Rogers

[chancellor]

Originally Posted by Rocket21

C-Pudge
1B - Erstad
2B - Boone
SS - Jeter
3B - Chavez
OF - Hunter, Ichiro, Wells
P - Kenny Rogers

This is not an Election Day/April Fools joke? Both those MIs for a GG is pathetic.

[Whitebacon]

Erstad? Was he really that good this year, or was this based on past performances?

[BuckyBuckner]

Originally Posted by Whitebacon

Erstad? Was he really that good this year, or was this based on past performances?

From what I've heard and the very little I've seen, yes he was that good this year. He's just a great athlete.

[pjs24]

Originally Posted by BeanBall

What a disgrace. The GG award just went down a notch in my mind.

How did it not hit rock bottom when Raffy took that one home?

[Bodhizefa]

Originally Posted by BuckyBuckner

From what I've heard and the very little I've seen, yes he was that good this year. He's just a great athlete.

Statistically and anecdotally, Teixeira and Delgado were both significantly better. Erstad ranks quite low in range factor.

As an aside, if Pujols doesn't get the NL gold glove, it will be a travesty. He had arguably the best year for a first baseman defensively in the last 4 years. His ZR and RF were off the charts.

[OaklandA's]

Originally Posted by Bodhizefa

As an aside, if Pujols doesn't get the NL gold glove, it will be a travesty. He had arguably the best year for a first baseman defensively in the last 4 years. His ZR and RF were off the charts.

I think it will be difficult for Pujols to win a Gold Glove with 10 errors at 1B. I think Todd Helton, with only 4 errors, as well as a lot more assists, might get the nod at 1B.

[Archon]

Jeter ...............nonsense.........

[Bodhizefa]

Originally Posted by OaklandA's

I think it will be difficult for Pujols to win a Gold Glove with 10 errors at 1B. I think Todd Helton, with only 4 errors, as well as a lot more assists, might get the nod at 1B.

Boo.

[me454555]

If Jeter doesn't win the GG, who do you give it to?

[pjs24]

Originally Posted by me454555

If Jeter doesn't win the GG, who do you give it to?

Tejada
Crosby
Eckstein
Guillen
Valentin

Maybe even Guzman. No way did Jeter deserve it.

[pjs24]

Quickly calculating their ranks amongst qualified SS's in the three main fielding categories, here are the numbers:

NAME				Composite Score
Bobby Crosby, Oak		10
Miguel Tejada, Bal		12
Jose Valentin, CWS		14
David Eckstein, Ana		16
Carlos Guillen, Det		16
Derek Jeter, NYY		18
Cristian Guzman, Min		18
Omar Vizquel, Cle		19
Julio Lugo, TB			20
Michael Young, Tex		27
Angel Berroa, KC		28

[John Mayberry]

As Oakland A's pointed out, Bret Boone getting an award is a joke. I'm not sure that the defensive side of the game is catching up (in the media & fans eye) that the hitting end.

Web Gems = nice highlight play, as ESPN also shows bit hits on NFL games, but it's sizzle, not steak. There's nothing sexy with a SS getting to a would-be single up the middle and throwing the runner out in the 7th inning of a 2-1 game, but a Jim Edmonds diving catch has Gammons slobbering all over Harold Reynolds.

Subjective Gold Glove (and Cy Young for that matter) voting, unlike the concrete award winners, are always up for debate. MLB will not be using zone rating to determine ratings. Stat heads can wail all they want to, it's not changing anytime soon.

[John Mayberry]