[Bob Kohm]

In his divorce proceedings, Neil Bush, younger brother of GeeDubya, has admitted under oath to being on the payroll of Grace Semiconductor, a company with very close ties to the Chinese government. It's pricipal patron is the son of Chinese powerbroker Jiang Zemin (former President of China). One Grace contract is with a conduit to the People's Liberation Army Air Force. What does Mr. Bush do for them? Apparently nothing, for which he is being paid $2,000,000 in stock as compensation for the contract he signed with them in 2002.

According to the deposition which was released today, Bush has "absolutely no background in semiconductors", and that he had no extensive background in business that would justify the compensation. He was also deposed on other sweetheart deals, such as a consulting contract with Crest Investments that paid him $5000 per week for "answering the phone" when the Chairman called. He averages 3 to 4 hours per week with Crest.

This all fromt he man who cost US taxpayers over One Billion Dollars when his Savings & Loan, Silverado S&L, went belly up during the S&L scandals of the late 80s.

So let's ask some questions, here. If GW is tryign to protray himself as squeaky clean, and if the GOP felt able to point fingers at Clinton and call him a dupe of the Chinese, then what do we say about this? We have the President's very own brother accepting millions of dollars from a Chinese defense contractor for what is basically a no-show job. Wow. Again... wow. What do you think the CHinese are trying to buy here? Neil's expertise on semiconductors? The best way to scam the American government into bailing out a bank? Or influence over the President and our defense? If you picked answer three...

Some other hysterical tidbits from the story... On trips to Thailand & Hong Kong, Bush admits to having engaged in "sex romps" with multiple women. Were they hookers? Bush doesn't know-- according to him they just "showed up at {my} door and had sex with me". He admits this is "very unusual", lol.

What a dope. Now we have him on a CHinese defense contractors payroll... and is it possible, just possible, that if this dope is accepting sex from hookers in Thailand and Hong Kong that maybe, just maybe, the CHinese, who have always used the "honey trap" as one of their espionage recruiting tactics, just might have gotten film of the President's brother in compromising situations? If it wasn't so dumb it would be hysterical.

[Byron]

Roger Clinton was an idiot too.

Some other hysterical tidbits from the story... On trips to Thailand & Hong Kong, Bush admits to having engaged in "sex romps" with multiple women. Were they hookers? Bush doesn't know-- according to him they just "showed up at {my} door and had sex with me". He admits this is "very unusual", lol.

Unusual? Apparently you don't get invited to the cool right-wing parties... commonplace for us rednecks.

[Catfishkid]

All presidential brothers or brother-in-laws should be shot upon taking the oath of office.

No more Neil Bush's, Roger Clinton's, What's his name Rodham's, Billy Carter's, Ted Kennedy's, etc.

They all seem to cause more trouble than they are worth.

[joncarlos]

Originally posted by Bob Kohm
Some other hysterical tidbits from the story... On trips to Thailand & Hong Kong, Bush admits to having engaged in "sex romps" with multiple women. Were they hookers? Bush doesn't know-- according to him they just "showed up at {my} door and had sex with me". He admits this is "very unusual", lol.

That happens to me all the time!!!

My question is this: Why does anyone still doubt that Dubya is corrupt? He's a Republican so he's harder to catch and damn near impossible to stick anything to. That's the only difference.

[johnnya24]

Originally posted by Bob Kohm
What a dope. Now we have him on a CHinese defense contractors payroll... and is it possible, just possible, that if this dope is accepting sex from hookers in Thailand and Hong Kong that maybe, just maybe, the CHinese, who have always used the "honey trap" as one of their espionage recruiting tactics, just might have gotten film of the President's brother in compromising situations? If it wasn't so dumb it would be hysterical.

Please let it be so

.. what would the spin on this story be?

So Neil, how can you explain being caught on camera with 3 underage girls? "Well, I was having relations with my dear loving wife while on holiday in Thailand, when 3 armed Chinese cameramen stormed into my hotel room and demanded I have sex with 3 underage Thai girls ... I had no choice, they had guns ... "

[RCCook]

Originally posted by joncarlos
That happens to me all the time!!!

My question is this: Why does anyone still doubt that Dubya is corrupt? He's a Republican so he's harder to catch and damn near impossible to stick anything to. That's the only difference.

JC, couldn't have put it any better myself. Thank you.

[John Hoyos]

I can hear it now:

"I had sex with them, but I didn't orgasm."

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by joncarlos
My question is this: Why does anyone still doubt that Dubya is corrupt? He's a Republican so he's harder to catch and damn near impossible to stick anything to. That's the only difference.

Interesting question. My impression is that Republicans are held to a much stricter standard, since every indiscretion is published all over the media. For example Bush's daughter uses phony prescriptions and its hedline news. Dean's son breaks into a bar and its an afterthought.

Clinton admitted to purjury and he wasnt even dismissed from office. Thats my definition of "impossible to stick anything to."

J

[joncarlos]

Originally posted by onejayhawk
Interesting question. My impression is that Republicans are held to a much stricter standard, since every indiscretion is published all over the media. For example Bush's daughter uses phony prescriptions and its hedline news. Dean's son breaks into a bar and its an afterthought.

Clinton admitted to purjury and he wasnt even dismissed from office. Thats my definition of "impossible to stick anything to."

True, but Clinton was impeached. Dean isn't the president so you can't really compare. It seems like since Reagan, the GOP scandals burn hotter in the news but they usually flame out quickly, whereas the Democratic scandals turn into a slow burn that are dragged out for years with special prosecutors and everything.

Just comparing Clinton and Dubya and even ignoring Monica, think about Whitewater and Paula Jones compared to the Haliburton thing and... well I can't think of another example right now for Dubya that actually involved him in someway.

[Hornsby]

Originally posted by joncarlos
True, but Clinton was impeached. Dean isn't the president so you can't really compare. It seems like since Reagan, the GOP scandals burn hotter in the news but they usually flame out quickly, whereas the Democratic scandals turn into a slow burn that are dragged out for years with special prosecutors and everything.

Just comparing Clinton and Dubya and even ignoring Monica, think about Whitewater and Paula Jones compared to the Haliburton thing and... well I can't think of another example right now for Dubya that actually involved him in someway.

You seem to forget Iran/Contra, the S&L scandal, and a few others that dragged on forever during Republican administrations...

And it's ludicrious to try to tar and feather a president by using their relatives. An old saying goes, you can choose your friends but not your family...as far as i've seen there has been nothing against GW himself in the scandal department, something that can't be said about the previous occupant of the White House. Show me some solid evidence rather than gossip and innuendo that there've been improprieties and i'll join the call to oust GW. Right now there is very little smoke and no fire...

[RCCook]

And it's ludicrious to try to tar and feather a president by using their relatives.

You mean like Rush Limbaugh and other Republicans did to Bill Clinton for eight years with Hillary and her brother?

Not saying they weren't corrupt (hell, who in government isn't on some level?) but still, it's pretty much the same thing- and Democrats and Republicans are equally guilty of it...

[Hornsby]

Originally posted by RCCook
You mean like Rush Limbaugh and other Republicans did to Bill Clinton for eight years with Hillary and her brother?

Not saying they weren't corrupt (hell, who in government isn't on some level?) but still, it's pretty much the same thing- and Democrats and Republicans are equally guilty of it...

I agree, that's why I used the all inclusive instead of just saying GW. Bill has no responsibility Roger (some for Hillary though) Jimmy had none for Billy, JFK had none for Teddy, etc...it's a long and not very distinguished list, but I don't blame anyone for blood relatives...who you marry is a different deal though, that's a deliberate decision.

[Jocko Homo]

Wow, I thought this was a great baseball site and it turns out I stumbled into the inner sanctum of the DNC. In the words of Tony Bruno, "Be-auti-ful".

Not defending Bush, mind you, but how exactly are the actions of his brother being linked/compared to the actions of Senator Clinton and her brother? I don't care much for politics or politicians, but I always thought that the right wing attacked Clinton on his misdeeds (or perceived misdeeds).

I kinda like Bush II. Very few presidents I can say that about in my lifetime. The only prez I really detested was LBJ, but even he had some good points. I liked Reagan, but that was mainly due to the fact my Dad was an officer in the USAF at the time and then I went on to be an officer in the USAF and appreciated the money he was throwing my way.

I didn't even really dislike Clinton that much, I just thought for as smart as he was he got himself into a heap of trouble that could/should have been avoided.

[Catfishkid]

Originally posted by joncarlos
True, but Clinton was impeached. Dean isn't the president so you can't really compare. It seems like since Reagan, the GOP scandals burn hotter in the news but they usually flame out quickly, whereas the Democratic scandals turn into a slow burn that are dragged out for years with special prosecutors and everything.

Just comparing Clinton and Dubya and even ignoring Monica, think about Whitewater and Paula Jones compared to the Haliburton thing and... well I can't think of another example right now for Dubya that actually involved him in someway.

What exactly was "the Halliburton thing"?

You say "My question is this: Why does anyone still doubt that Dubya is corrupt?", and you don't even mention what that corruption is. What corruption are you talking about? If it is because his brother is an idiot, well so was Bill Clinton's and Jimmy Carters and JFK's. None of those cases rise to the level of corruption. Look, there may actually be "corruption" in this administration, and by this president personally, but I haven't heard anything other than innuendo.

Usually you back up your opinions with much better facts JC.

[Craig Bezom]

Originally posted by RCCook
You mean like Rush Limbaugh and other Republicans did to Bill Clinton for eight years with Hillary and her brother?

Not saying they weren't corrupt (hell, who in government isn't on some level?) but still, it's pretty much the same thing- and Democrats and Republicans are equally guilty of it...

What "other republicans". Rush Limbaugh is only a radio talk show host you know.

[chancellor]

Originally posted by Jocko Homo
I kinda like Bush II. Very few presidents I can say that about in my lifetime. The only prez I really detested was LBJ, but even he had some good points. I liked Reagan, but that was mainly due to the fact my Dad was an officer in the USAF at the time and then I went on to be an officer in the USAF and appreciated the money he was throwing my way.

Ah, LBJ. Now we're talking corruption! Back room dealing! A man whose politics would make Machiavelli grin with pride.

Tough to argue with some of the great legislation he signed, though.